The sliding scale

While I was at the Web 2.0 Expo in San Francisco last week, I attended a panel entitled Examining Ajax Frameworks.

In truth there wasn’t anything specifically Ajax-y about the frameworks or the panel: just one more example of the watering down of the term. It was still a great panel mostly thanks to Paxman-like moderation of Simon Willison.

From left to right, the panel consisted of:

Despite Simon’s best efforts to get a good flame war going, the panelist were having none of it. They were being far too Californian and friendly about the whole thing.

Simon grilled them with questions like how their libraries coped with an approach of progressive enhancement—a very good question. One of the other tasks set by Simon was for each developer to place their library on the continuum between being used to develop websites and being used to create fully-blown web applications (sort of like the teacher in Donnie Darko asking pupils to make a mark on the line between fear and love).

jQuery was very much on the website end of the scale; best used to add interactive niceties to a website without making JavaScript a requirement. YUI is similar but with some widgets that start to get pretty complex. Dojo is definitely for applications where JavaScript is a prerequisite. GWT is so application-centric that you’re supposed to actually write your JavaScript in Java… something I still cannot fathom.

It was then that I noticed the happy coincidence of the seating arrangement. By happy chance, the framework builders had positioned themselves on the panel in a way that corresponded perfectly with how their libraries fit on the sliding scale from websites to applications.

I couldn’t resist grabbing a photo and breaking out Photoshop to illustrate this fortuitous alignment.


Posted by Jeremy on Wednesday, April 25th, 2007 at 5:31pm


nice job representing the key people and interests, had a great at this years event and look forward to making next years

# Posted by Angela on Friday, May 4th, 2007 at 3:21pm

I missed the web2expo this year, hopefully there will be a big german grpuo again next year!

# Posted by Lavera on Tuesday, May 8th, 2007 at 9:08am

next year!!! too long!

# Posted by Moohhry on Tuesday, May 8th, 2007 at 1:40pm

We may wait till next year, why not?! Guys, work in the same way!

# Posted by Arny on Thursday, May 10th, 2007 at 7:45pm

Love the pic and had a great time at the event!!! I look forward to next years!!

# Posted by Margret on Thursday, May 10th, 2007 at 8:12pm

Excellent guys and one photo. Nice work

# Posted by Aviator on Monday, May 14th, 2007 at 1:20pm

Thanks for Bret Taylor’s link. I enjoy his blog

# Posted by Loupe on Thursday, May 17th, 2007 at 4:44pm

"(sort of like the teacher in Donnie Darko asking pupils to make a mark on the line between fear and love)" I like this part I watched the movie so i know what You mean. And thank for photo Jeremy, it really illustrate this fortuitous alignment. Greetings

# Posted by Tomek on Friday, May 18th, 2007 at 12:21pm

I imagine jQuery in other way. Nice photo you’ve got!

# Posted by Jacky on Monday, June 4th, 2007 at 7:39pm

Dojo looks funny

# Posted by Moth on Sunday, June 10th, 2007 at 6:53pm

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